AMD Tech Day at CES: 2018 Roadmap Revealed, with Ryzen APUs, Zen+ on 12nm, Vega on 7nm
by Ian Cutress on February 1, 2018 8:45 AM ESTAMD Ryzen Price Drops, New Wraith Prism
One of the elements we reported on almost immediately was AMD’s decision to drop the suggested retail pricing of its current Ryzen desktop processors. Since the launch last year, Ryzen processors have varied quite dramatically from then to now: the processors started off at the launch pricing, but through the summer and into the winter, many retailers were offering discounts, without any catches. Throughout this time, AMD maintained that their launch-day pricing structure was still in place, and it was up to distributors and retailers to dictate the exact pricing, and as far as AMD was concerned, the price at which these processors were sold to distributors had not changed. This did not stop some of the media from speculating wildly in spite of AMD’s official line.
So fast forward to CES 2018, and the first official price list change for Ryzen really does shake up the landscape. For the top mainstream processors, there are deep discounts to be had, with up to $150 coming off the price of the Ryzen 7 1800X. The full list is as follows:
AMD Ryzen New Pricing | |||||
Processor | Socket | Type | Cores/Threads | Old SEP | New SEP |
Ryzen TR 1950X | TR4 | HEDT | 16 / 32 | $999 | No Change |
Ryzen TR 1920X | TR4 | HEDT | 12 / 24 | $799 | No Change |
Ryzen TR 1900X | TR4 | HEDT | 8 / 16 | $549 | $449 |
Ryzen 7 1800X | AM4 | CPU | 8 / 16 | $499 | $349 |
Ryzen 7 1700X | AM4 | CPU | 8 / 16 | $399 | $309 |
Ryzen 7 1700 | AM4 | CPU | 8 / 16 | $329 | $299 |
Ryzen 5 1600X | AM4 | CPU | 6 / 12 | $249 | $219 |
Ryzen 5 1600 | AM4 | CPU | 6 / 12 | $219 | $189 |
Ryzen 5 1500X | AM4 | CPU | 4 / 8 | $189 | $174 |
Ryzen 5 1400 | AM4 | CPU | 4 / 8 | $169 | No Change |
Ryzen 5 2400G | AM4 | APU | 4 / 8 | N/A | $169 |
Ryzen 3 1300X | AM4 | CPU | 4 / 4 | $129 | No Change |
Ryzen 3 1200 | AM4 | CPU | 4 / 4 | $109 | No Change |
Ryzen 3 2200G | AM4 | APU | 4 / 4 | N/A | $99 |
If we line up a direct AMD vs. Intel with this new pricing, it is clear that there are a couple of battle grounds. The Ryzen 7 1800X, now at $349, squares up with the Core i7-7700K at $350, the previous generation high-end overclockable processor. The Ryzen 7 1700, our suggested mainstream AMD processor in 2017 is now $299, undercutting the Core i7-8700 while still having more cores. The Ryzen 5 1600 at $190 is now aligned with the Core i5-8400 at $187, and for this price the Ryzen 5 1600 offers simultaneous multi-threading whereas the Intel processor does not.
Down at the low end are the new processors with Vega graphics, the Ryzen 5 2400G at $169 and the Ryzen 3 2200U at $99, which are priced against the Core i5-8400 at $187 and Core i3-8100 at $117 respectively.
To put this into perspective, Intel used to publish its price list weekly, but after accidentally leaking the details of processors before launch, have migrated it to monthly (though they seem to have missed January?). Nonetheless, Intel rarely changes the suggested retail pricing of its mainstream processors.
What is not mentioned in this table is which processors come with which coolers. AMD’s best-selling products come with variants of the Wraith cooler provided in box, which would be considered a separate cost on the Intel lineup.
Wraith PRISM Launched, Wraith Max Reduced
As part of the price drop announcement, AMD is introducing a new variant of their Wraith cooler family to system integrators. The Wraith PRISM will sit above the Wraith Max and Wraith Spire in the family, going above the Max with a rainbow LED ring instead of just a red one, and illuminated fan blades. AMD is citing enhanced motherboard compatibility for the LEDs, and it still uses the same mounting mechanism since AM2. There will be an overclockable fan profile, or a silent operation mode capable of 39 decibels.
The only ‘downside’ to the cooler is that it will not be on general sale, or be bundled with any processors. In order to get one, it will be up to system integrators to use it and for users to buy a pre-built system. As a result, the cost will be up to the system integrator.
Edit Feb 2nd: Apologies on my part, this paragraph is wrong. I had erroneously remembered what AMD had told us. It has since been clarified: AMD will be communicating its Wraith PRISM strategy later through Q1.
The other element on cooler updates is a price drop for the Wraith Max. This is the one Wraith cooler that AMD does actually sell at retail, representing a 125W near-silent cooler with a shroud and a red LED ring around the fan. When AMD launched the cooler for $60 last year, a few of us baulked at the price: it’s a nice cooler to have, but it is not a $60 value. AMD is now going to have a suggested retail price of $45, which is more nearer the mark, but the cooler market is a competitive place for this sort of thing.
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mikabr - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
What is the status of thunderbolt and AMD today? Can Apple or similar manufacturer take AMD parts and create something that does the same thing as a Macbook pro or iMac today, with thunderbolt ports that has the same functionality as todays Intel based offerings?A5 - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
In theory, the TB controller is just a hunk of silicon hanging off the PCIe bus. But the fact that Intel is the only manufacturer is a probably an issue.Space Jam - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
Maybe I haven't been paying attention but i've just started to notice how low quality images on this site actually are, though especially in this article. That image of Lisa Su looks like its from an early 2000s budget digital camera using digital zoom. Why are the slideshow caps horrendously compressed JPEGs?Get well soon Ian.
Ian Cutress - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
Click through for full resolution.jjj - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
Vega on 7nm is likely very bad news if it's more than this SKU targeted at machine learning as it implies that Navi is very late and AMD stays utterly uncompetitive in GPU.haukionkannel - Thursday, February 1, 2018 - link
And if Vega7 is small chip. It may be used in self driving cars and other small for factor special cases where the price is not so big problem.wr3zzz - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
Can mobile Ryzen go down to 4.5W TDP for fanless designs?st_7 - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
@Ian Cutress. looks like a typo in this line "The Ryzen 5 2200U is the only dual core component in AMD’s entire Ryzen product line", I think it should be "The Ryzen 3 2200U".And also is there any information, if AMD planning to release mobile processors which can go against Intel HQ line of mobile/laptop processors, presuming that these 'U' processors are pitted against Intel 'U' processors. Or these 'U' processors from the AMD are the only mobile/laptop class processors that we gonna see from AMD in the next year or two.
jjj - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
- so few mobile SKUs, why no 45W SKUs, no 11CU SKUs- so few desktop APU SKUs and what do they have above 170$ and maybe bellow 100$
- Vega on 7nm in 2019 while Navi also in 2019, area you certain that Navi+ is 2020 or is that an assumption, because if seems that if Vega on 7nm goes everywhere, Navi can't be 2019 and Naxi+ wouldn't be 2020
- 7nm+ being a second gen 7nm is your assumption or AMD stated that. in theory could be what comes after 7nm so 5nm
- where are the 150-250$ new gen GPUs, I get that they are too lazy to meet demand with the current ones but perf per $ is atrocious and they'll kill gaming at this pace
- being surprise that Zen 2 is done is odd, AMD might have Epyc 2 on 7nm in late 2019 so ofc the core is done. And ofc , with that in mind, when you say Zen 2 2019, in consumer at least as server could be different
- where is a Rave Ridge refresh in H2 this year? They really don't have one or
- we don't care about efficiency gains with Pinnacle Ridge, we need higher clocks, better memory support, some minimal SoC level gains and maybe same cache changes but we really just need anything from 4.5GHz to 7GHz- where they land in that range defines how open our wallets are. OK we want more PCIe too and if they could support much faster memory, we would even take more then 8 cores.
Anyway, this seems like a rather incomplete roadmap.
jjj - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
And why so few RR system and mostly 15 in and up